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Quote Keeping your family safer online Safer surfing with new Internet Explorer 8
But even with all this great defensive planning, there are hackers out there working just as hard to find new ways to do their own end-run. Family Safety and Internet Explorer work great together because their always-evolving security features help me guard against these new hacker tactics. Today, the new Internet Explorer 8 is being released with some great new ways to protect against hackers. There’s SmartScreen that helps protect my family from socially-engineered attacks like malware and phishing, and other technologies that help protect my PC from drive-by attacks like cross-site scripting and ClickJacking.
Internet Explorer 8 works against ClickJacking and cross-site scripting technologies to prevent Junior from clicking on a picture of a Pokémon and being taken to another website without realizing it. When Junior thought he was clicking Pikachu, he may have actually clicked something else: buying something from another site, changing settings on your browser or computer, or being shown inappropriate advertisements. It’s complicated, but Internet Explorer 8 lets website developers protect their sites from these kinds of attacks by preventing their legitimate pages from being “framed.” If all this has made you curious about the new security features in Internet Explorer 8 and the new kinds of malicious software technologies that they guard against, you can also read this white paper for all the details. Oh, and by the way, I am also posting this on the Windows Live team blog, which has more great info about using Windows Live on the web. - Sylvia F., Mom and writer, Windows Live Family Safety
MSN study sparks online discussionIt was rewarding yesterday to see a discussion emerging from news articles on child safety. In Europe, MSN conducted a study of children’s habits online, and certain European companies also pledged to protect children online. The story is also active in the US. If you’re aware of this story in other places please provide that link in the comments here.
Microsoft can be a resource for parents who would like more information on the technical solutions that are available, as well as how to guide effective conversations with children. Over here on the Windows Live Family Safety team, we see the materials posted here as a companion to the technical solution we deliver with Windows Live Essentials. It’s incorrect to just install a Family Safety product and expect that to cover 100% of what your child does online. It’s also incorrect to just have a conversation with your child (even a good one) and expect that to cover 100% of what your child does online. Both approaches are needed.
If you have Windows Live Family Safety installed for your family, please use the comments here to describe what additional conversations you may have had with your children. Is there something more you’d expect to happen on the software side? Are there questions about educating kids that you’d like answered?
Thanks in advance for the discussion. - Elizabeth Grigg, Program Manager, Windows Live Family Safety Did you participate in the Family Safety Beta during Fall 08?Now that the newest version of Family Safety has released, the Beta will be shut down. If you’re still running the Beta version of the software, please access the released version at http://download.live.com/familysafety. If you’re not sure what version you’re running, here is how to check.
Windows Live Family Safety and Norton 360Symantec’s Norton 360 product has a feature called Intrusion Prevention. It has been noted on their community message board that the Intrusion Prevention that shipped with Norton 360 is incompatible with Windows Live Family Safety. If this is affecting you, please refer to Symantec for the status on their investigation. The next version of Windows Live Family Safety has released!Windows Live Family Safety has released as part of Windows Live Essentials. You can read more about it here and here. We’ve simplified setup and installation, designed a new look, and responded to issues raised during our beta. As an extra treat, there is a page available that you can set as your kid’s home page, where each site is on the “Kids' Safe” category.
We hope you are pleased with the new release. Let us know about it here in the comments. - The Family Safety Team Temporary issue when setting up Family Safety via Windows Live Essentials
If you're a Family Safety customer installing via Windows Live Essentials, there is a temporary issue which may cause setup to fail. The Family Safety team is working on resolving this issue, so the information posted here will only be needed for a short time.
Update: Here is the kb article which references this issue.
If the Windows Live Essentials setup fails and you see the following error "Check to be sure you are connected to the Internet. You cannot download Windows Live programs unless you're connected to the Internet," it might be because you have Family Safety installed and running on your computer which is blocking the download of the installation files. The easiest way to work around this is to do the following:
1) Make sure that your internet connection is working and you can browse to a website. 2) If you are not able to browse to a website, it could be because the setup process closed Family Safety. In this case, you can either open Family Safety and make sure you are logged in or, alternatively, you can open Family Safety and just turn off the filter. 3) Run the Windows Live Essentials setup again and select "Ignore any open programs" when you get to the screen titled "Please close these programs."
Tech Support and Windows Live Family SafetyLooking over the posts since 2006 when the Family Safety team started this blog, it looks like a common situation if you’re here, you have a tech support question that needs answered. Blogs are great because you can review information that other customers have posted, and those answers might help you as well. It’s understandable to want to search online for a solution before investing the time in a conversation with tech support. If you decide you’re ready for some individual support, here are some tips that may help you:
1) To get started, visit http://support.live.com and select the service “Windows Live Family Safety.” Describe the problem you are having on the form provided. 2) If you have an existing ticket, use that one to resolve the issue. 3) When describing the problem, it’s best to list out the steps you would take to make the problem happen in sequence. For example: (a) Through the website, added new URL to the Allow List (b) Child signs in on his computer (c) We see the following problem (describe here). The steps should be in sequence. Describe things that you do in between steps even if you think they are not relevant. 4) You should state some basic information about your computer(s) such as operating system, browser version, and version of family safety software.
As a bonus, if you’re sure the problem is happening with the Family Safety program that runs locally on your computer (as opposed to the website), you can perform a trace. Below (*) are instructions on running this trace. The instructions are a little advanced to follow, but nothing is more helpful should the issue get escalated to the product team than a trace.
These steps should be kept in mind if you’re posting your own issue here… although you should know that for individual support you’ll need to visit the support site. There is a lot for us to post about in the coming months, and keeping the conversation here to topics that interest the majority of customers is a goal. We’ll see if we can get there!
Please leave a comment with any other ideas you have,
- The Family Safety Team
(*) Trace Instructions 1. Copy the zip file from the location : support team sharepoint or this location 2. Extract the zip file to the desktop. 3. You will see Customer_Trace folder on the desktop. 4. Go into this folder and double click on Start.cmd. This will turn on IDCRL tracing and then run a tracing tool that shows up in the system tray (near the clock) as a blue ‘i’ in a white bubble. 5. Reproduce the issue in question. 6. Once the issue has been reproduced, right click on the icon mentioned in step #4 near the clock and select “Exit”. 7. A new folder will be created (called “Logs”) in the Customer_Trace folder on the desktop.We need all the files in this folder for investigation Blogging about Windows Live Family Safety?Hello,
This post is to invite people blogging about Windows Live Family Safety on their own blogs to visit this blog and join the conversation.
We're happy to get all kinds of feedback, good or bad.
Running list of mentions of Windows Live Family Safety online:
Yoblooc - (if this is your blog, please send us details)
Geekzone -
We'll edit this post as more come in.
Best,
- Elizabeth Grigg
Program Manager
Windows Live Family Safety What happens when you’re signed in to the web and the filter as different people?
Here’s an example involving how the Family Safety filter and the browsing you may do online that is sometimes a sticking point for new users. As you know, once you’ve installed the Family Safety filter(*), you’ll need to sign in as a member of the family in order to start browsing online. For this example, the family has the following settings: Parent: All websites allowed, no blocked sites Child: Small list of allowed websites, rest of the Internet is blocked If you’ve signed in as the parent, all browsing will be available to you. Most Windows Live sites including Family Safety have a “sign in” link in the upper right corner. You may have signed in to the Family Safety filter as the parent, but now that the Internet is available to you, you can sign in to any Windows Live (or other) website as yourself, or someone else, or even your child. The Internet is available to you fully, there is no restriction on who or how you sign in to a particular website. Question: Given that you’re signed in as the parent with the Family Safety filter, what websites will be allowed for you if you sign in to a Windows Live website as your child? Answer: You’ll still be getting the parent’s settings. As a new user, if your expectation was that signing in to the child via a Windows Live website changes who you’re signed in as with the filter, it will appear that the Family Safety filter is not working. In actuality, the Family Safety filter is working, just with the more permissive parent settings. As a note of assurance, it can be hard to keep track on the web exactly what information gets beamed down to your local machine, and what information stays up there. It can be hard to tell the difference between using a program and changing settings on a website, especially if you’ve been working with a program such as Family Safety that uses the website to CONTROL the functionality of the filter which is local to your machine. Please explore how this works and let us know your thoughts on signing in (both on the web and with the filter) in the comments. (*) The Family Safety filter is a program that you download and install when you choose to install Family Safety on your computer. - Elizabeth Grigg, Program Manager, Family Safety How do you use accounts?Over here on the Family Safety team, we hear a lot about accounts. There are many different types. In general, when someone is talking about an online “account” they mean a username and password pair that gives them personalized access to products and services. Probably the oldest kind of account online is an e-mail account. Your username is your e-mail address (or just the front part, minus the @domain stuff), and your password is something you picked out and hopefully you change it regularly. To get your e-mail, you need to enter these two pieces of information into the system. Accounts are used for purchases, chat, and generally membership in anything online. One person can have many accounts, and it’s likely this is not uncommon even in children. Looking at Family Safety software at Microsoft, there are still a lot of different accounts involved. If you’re using Windows Vista parental controls, you apply those controls to a Windows account that your child uses. Some household computers may not have that additional Windows account until the administrator realizes they want to apply parental controls. One thing that Windows does well is to provide an option to create a new Windows account while you’re in the process of setting up parental controls. It would be a pain to have to navigate somewhere else to do this and then come back to setting up parental controls. Windows accounts can be limited accounts or administrator accounts. Administrators can do things like install and uninstall software. You can see how if you’re creating a new Windows account for your child, you’d want that account to be Limited. All Windows accounts can have passwords, but not all do. If your machine has an administrator account without a password, it’s the same as elevating the privileges of all the limited accounts on your machine. Other Family Safety services from Microsoft are based on online ids called a Passport or Windows Live Account. This is also referred to as a “Windows Live ID.” Of course you have to sign on to your computer somehow. You’ll still use a Windows account for that. After you’ve done that, to access your online services with Windows Live such as Hotmail and Messenger, you’ll use a Windows Live ID. It’s a bit confusing because the word Windows is used in both places. The word to focus on is Live… the reason why this term is helpful is it sounds like something that is alive, that can move around from place to place. A Windows Live ID is useful from any machine with online access, whereas if you create a Windows account, it’s local so it’s only applicable to that one machine. In usability tests we sometimes see users get hung up on prompts for a Windows Live ID, especially if they have just been through a setup process with their Windows account. Say you create a Windows account called Mom. Then you install Family Safety software from Windows Live and are prompted to sign in. What do you sign in with, is it Mom again? One thing we can do a better job with is help people understand what we’re asking for every time they’re prompted to sign in. Key to doing this is to explain the difference between the different types of accounts. Similar to your Windows account, you can select your Windows Live account to remember your password, which also effectively lets anyone with access to your machine sign in online as you. This does not sound important… after all, these people are invited into your home… but keep in mind for Family Safety, the account settings are maintained online. If you said “no” to a request from your child to view a website, that setting can be changed to “yes” if the settings see appropriate credentials. Given this landscape, we’d like to ask users of Windows Live OneCare Family Safety how they use their accounts. Specifically: 1) Do you have a separate Windows account for each family member, or do some still share even after installing Windows Live OneCare Family Safety? 2) Do all these Windows accounts have their own passwords? 3) Are you aware of the privileges between administrator and limited accounts, and do the children end up with limited accounts? 4) If your children are too young to type a password, what choices have you made to work around that? 5) When prompted for a Windows Live ID, do you know what you’re being asked for? 6) Do you know if your child has membership accounts online? (Hint: The Windows Live OneCare Family Safety activity report can provide you with a list of websites your child has visited). 7) Make up your own question and answer it here! Thanks in advance for the feedback and for taking the time to contribute. - Elizabeth Grigg, Program Manager, Family Safety
Thank you for your patience – more posts coming soonThe good news is, the Family Safety team has been working hard on the next release. The bad news is, this has not left a lot of time for posting to this blog and we apologize for that. While we’re working on some new posts, we have the following suggestions: · For individual support, please access https://support.live.com/ · We’ll keep comments open on this blog. We welcome comments as it can be a great way for individuals to share information with the entire community · Suggestions for new blog posts are encouraged! Best, - The Family Safety Team Allowing Webkinz through Family Safety SettingsWe have noticed an increase in users experiencing issues with Webkinz being blocked by Family Safety Settings. The reason for this is that Webkinz does not use URLs for their websites but rather uses IP addresses. There are a few IP addresses for Webkinz on the kid’s safe sites list, but webkinz can change or expand the list at any time. The best way to allow access to the Webkinz site is to check the exact IP address shown in the block message for Family Safety users that have IE 7 installed. This is the address that should be added to the "Allow" list. If another change occurs on the Webkinz side, this new address should be added as well. Unfortnately, there is no way for Microsoft to anticipate what IP addresses Webkinz will use, and allow them to eliminate this issue. If you have any problems with allowing IP addresses, please feel free to seek help through our Support contact at http://support.live.com The next generation of Windows Live has shippedEveryone here at Windows Live OneCare Family Safety is proud to be a part of this momentous Windows Live release. Read the offical word here. Note that Family Safety is prominently mentioned! Cheers go out to each of you who helped to make this product better by using it and sending us feedback. Website UpdateAs of Oct 10, the website component of Windows Live OneCare Family safety has been updated. Most of you will not notice any changes, as this is mostly a bug fix release. One important piece of what we shipped includes a web page which will convert your MSN Premium Parental Controls family to Windows Live OneCare Family Safety if that is something you choose to do at this time. Under normal operation this website will help you complete this process in just a few steps, with very little information needed by you (the parent) in order to complete successfully. We're happy to release this update and will continue to improve the quality of the product thanks to your feedback. Windows Live Messenger works with Windows Live OneCare Family SafetyBack in August, the Messenger team crowed about their integration with Windows Live OneCare Family Safety. And deservedly so! A lot of hard work went in to the various features that makes it possible for kids to have a safe IM experience online. Take a look at what the Messenger team had to say (http://messengersays.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5B410F7FD930829E!28852.entry) and leave comments here regarding how it worked out for you. - The Windows Live OneCare Family Safety Team Workaround for client setup error message "Family Safety: This account has not yet reviewed the Windows Live Terms of Use. Please go to tou.live.com before continuing with setup."Dear Family Safety Customers,
During client setup, some people have experienced the error message : "Family Safety: This account has not yet reviewed the Windows Live Terms of Use. Please go to tou.live.com before continuing with setup.", the link specified with the error message is incorrect. The correct link for resolving the "Term of Use" requirement is: http://g.live.com/0fsenus4/nexusmigrate for all the languages. When you experience this error, please go to the above page. After accepting "Term of User", you can then continue with Family Safety client setup. Sorry for any confusion caused. Thank you! Family Safety Team. The latest Windows Live OneCare Family Safety beta is now availableThanks to everyone who's been visiting our website and trying out Family Safety. http://onecare.live.com/familysafety
It's been too long since we last updated this blog -- apologies for the silence. We've been working away, making improvements and adding features based on your feedback. We hope you'll like the updates !
Our newest beta includes :
In addition, the Family Safety client now is now included with Windows Live Suite.
Please visit our website, and let us know what you think.
Hotmail access problemsHere's a quick update : some commenters have reported problems accessing Hotmail, and getting a not-very-useful message referring to Family Safety. Our apologies for the problem -- the Support team is actively investigating this.
Windows Live OneCare Family Safety beta refresh now available!Thanks to everyone who has installed the Windows Live OneCare Family Safety beta since our release in August! The Family Safety team has been working over the last few months to enhance and improve the service, and we're excited to announce some significant changes available in this update:
Microsoft continues to improve and enhance OneCare Family Safety and we hope that you will try the updated service and give us your thoughts on the new features. If you've already installed the product you can continue using your current accounts -- you'll be prompted to update the Family Safety software on your computer, but all of your family's settings on the Web site will remain unchanged and you'll be able to continue using the service with no interruptions.
If you're just getting started with the Windows Live OneCare Family Safety beta, visit http://ideas.live.com
Thanks to everyone who has installed the beta so far and welcome to those of you who are installing for the first time! We look forward to your continued impressions of the product.
The OneCare Family Safety Team |
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